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10-09-2003, 03:35 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
Talon Tsi AWD '91 Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: New Jersey
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So Ken can you post your new method your currently running? or its
DL-topsecret-confidential
let us.. me atleast know so maybe i can try it and lemme be a guinea pig too __________________ '91 Talon TSi AWD |
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10-09-2003, 04:09 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
96' Mit. Eclipse gst Join Date: May 2002
Location: Atl. GA, Alpharetta
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ya kenGSX and i were talking about that...its prob. a mix of having a stock intercooler*yikes i know* and that I had that one way conister hooked on to it..so the butterfly never sees poss. pressure just vacume __________________ mastr of the 6-bolt. Have YOU loved your DSM today? | |
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10-09-2003, 04:16 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
Talon Tsi AWD '91 Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: New Jersey
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that explains it | |
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10-09-2003, 04:19 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
96' Mit. Eclipse gst Join Date: May 2002
Location: Atl. GA, Alpharetta
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lol..ya thats what i thought..too bad i just sold the green.. and can
never see the real power it puts out...I dont know if i want to
though..thing scared me enough as it is..lol couldnt imagine if it was
running to full efficeny ![]() |
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10-09-2003, 04:42 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1993 Mitsu Eclipse GSX Join Date: May 2002
Location: Delaware
Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (0)
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So with the way you had it hooked up, you can pull vacuum, but not
introduce pressure. The only possible way for the runners to open is if
the reservoir canister bleeds enough vacuum, but that won't really
happen. I have a diagram I made of my original approach. I'll see if I can post is soon. Ken |
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10-09-2003, 05:18 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
96' Mit. Eclipse gst Join Date: May 2002
Location: Atl. GA, Alpharetta
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10-10-2003, 02:45 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1991 galant vr4 Join Date: May 2002
Location: denton texas
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there's no secret to making the butterflies work. mine have been
working correctly for at least 2 years. i used 2 solenoids, the boost
control(normal closed) and the fuel purge(normal open), a hobbs pressure
switch, and the blue/white cannister, 2 inline tees and you are done. you
can monitor when the actuator opens with a vacuum/boost gauge. mine open
at about 6 lbs boost. i also tapped into the egr solenoid circuit(comes on
above 3k rpm) to power the solenoids. when the hobbs switch closes, one
solenoid opens, the other closes, air/boost bleeds to the acuator, and the
butterflies open. |
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10-10-2003, 03:44 PM |
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New DSMtalker
89 Colt GT 4G61T Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Chesapeake, VA 23320
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That is a good summary on the Cyclone operation. Other diagrams have been posted,
but they did not appear to be as succinct as your description sounds.
Could you please post a schematic diagram of your connection. I am not
certain how each of the elements is connected. Thanks, Bill Spruill |
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10-10-2003, 03:53 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1993 Mitsu Eclipse GSX Join Date: May 2002
Location: Delaware
Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (0)
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Is this similar? Not mine BTW. But similar...diagram and this is his actual setup...picture I'll upload my concept soon, but this pretty much sums it up. Ho Chi Inn's is even more comprehensive Ken | |
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10-10-2003, 04:33 PM |
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New DSMtalker
89 Colt GT 4G61T Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Chesapeake, VA 23320
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Super stuff, guys. Those last two posts really sum up the Cyclone mystery that has been going on for
sometime. Now, are there any hints at fitment while retaining the U.S. air
conditioning?![]() |
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10-10-2003, 06:25 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1993 Mitsu Eclipse GSX Join Date: May 2002
Location: Delaware
Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (0)
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The link will no doubt change because the website is new. But here is
the old diagram I made way back when.
vacuum and wire hookup: http://ken.69thstreet.org/ (follow DSM links on my website for cyclone information) Ken Young Last edited by Taboo : 10-12-2003 at 01:39 AM. |
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10-10-2003, 06:44 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1991 galant vr4 Join Date: May 2002
Location: denton texas
Posts: 361 Trader Rating: (0)
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the diagram and the picture is very close to what i got. i dont have
the boost solenoid open to atmosphere, i have it tee'd in, so when it
switches over, instead of atmos, it gets boost. also, to answer the a/c
question, i have a galant vr4, and to get the cyclone to clear the a/c, i had to rotate the coil
pack about 20 deg, and grind off the boss that interferes with the a/c
line. i then drilled another hole in the coil bracket, and it mounts with
just 2 bolts. access to the charge port is partially blocked, so when i
charge up the a/c, i remove the coil and just tie wrap it temporarily,
then the charge port is easily accessable. also, i had kingsborne wires
make me a set of ign wires, you can order them direct, and tell them it is
the eclipse wires for the cyclone. they are
red, and they are the best fitting wires i have ever had. to install the
cyclone by itself, i had to take it apart.
there are 2 really long studs that connect the middle piece(i dont
remember, but you WILL see the studs) and i had to replace one stud with a
long bolt, in order to get it to clear. to install the cyclone assembled, i think i need another couple of
joints in my arm. i also got enough of the old gaskets off, and made new
ones, then used sealant to be sure. also, the jdm throttle body only has
one port, it sees NOTHING below about 3k rpm. it is useless. |
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10-10-2003, 07:03 PM |
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New DSMtalker
89 Colt GT 4G61T Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Chesapeake, VA 23320
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Again, GREAT! ![]() |
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10-11-2003, 12:55 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
1993 Mitsu Eclipse GSX Join Date: May 2002
Location: Delaware
Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (0)
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I was able to use regular aftermarket plug wires, nothing custom,
just magnecores. I too had to mess with the coil pack: I took a stock coilpack and dissassembled it, then dissassembled the JDM coil pack, I didn't use it, but I did use the metal bracket. Then I checked the JDM bracket vs the cyclone and determined how the holes line up, and I turned it backwards to get the best fit for the coilpack. I had to grind a bid to get it to bolt up, and in fact I could only use 2 out of 3 of the bolts. But it is secure and able to transmit heat. That is key, everything you do needs to be conducive to maximum heat transfer to keep the coils cool. Make sure the coils can lay flat and have as much contact with the bracket, and that the bracket has good contact with the manifold. I had to bend the bracket at the top where the coil plug attaches, and drill a couple holes to secure the coils better, and one hole had to be drilled and tapped for a ground-like piece that I haven't identified. The power transistor was cake, I had the JDM one that was melted, and removed the bracket and attached the US one to it. That bolts to the back of the manifold. I don't know if there will be an interference issue with any of these things until I drop it in a week from now. I also made gaskets for the manifold out of do-it-yourself 0.4mm gasket material and an exacto knife. I have pictures of that and I'll eventually get them on my website, along with the coilpack, and other port work pictures. It's all bolted up as one piece to the engine, and I hope to drop it in. My AC has been removed so I don't have to worry about that. Ken |
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10-11-2003, 01:00 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
1993 Mitsu Eclipse GSX Join Date: May 2002
Location: Delaware
Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (0)
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Can this "above 3000 rpm" feature be used similar to your EGR solenoid hookup, to achieve the same results? I have the JDM throttle body and would like to use it. That was one of my thoughts for controlling them via rpm, although unchangeable. Ken | |
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10-11-2003, 02:03 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1991 galant vr4 Join Date: May 2002
Location: denton texas
Posts: 361 Trader Rating: (0)
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10-12-2003, 01:21 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
96' Mit. Eclipse gst Join Date: May 2002
Location: Atl. GA, Alpharetta
Posts: 489 Trader Rating: (0)
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ok, doesnt a boost controller work by; hold pressure on one line till
the spring cannot handle it anymore (reached set boost), than begins to
blead that boost though the other line? If so, why cant you just take one line to a vacum sourse, hook to boost control., than hook the other side up to the butterfly accuator? |
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10-13-2003, 03:00 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1991 galant vr4 Join Date: May 2002
Location: denton texas
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well, for one, you need the vacuum to hold it shut. you could use a boost controller in place of the second solenoid. there are a lot of ways to do this. one person used the wastegate actuator, another has used an electric servo from a radio control model airplane. i was only showing how i did it, and it works for me. as always, ymmv. | |
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10-13-2003, 03:42 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1993 Mitsu Eclipse GSX Join Date: May 2002
Location: Delaware
Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (0)
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ho chi inn, would you be interested in posting pictures and/or diagrams of your method? It would end a lot of questions or uncertainty. I'll definitely share mine as well when it happens. Ken |
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10-13-2003, 05:41 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1991 galant vr4 Join Date: May 2002
Location: denton texas
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well, i dont want to take it off the car and take pictures. actually, the car is not here, it is at forced performance getting a rebuilt lsd put in. i can draw a diagram of how i have it, and fax it to you. i am not computer literate enough to draw in computerese and have it make any sense. | |
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10-14-2003, 12:32 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
96' Mit. Eclipse gst Join Date: May 2002
Location: Atl. GA, Alpharetta
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what kind of solenoids are you talking about? | |
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10-14-2003, 02:59 PM |
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DSMtalker
1991 GVR-4 782/2000 Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: OH
Posts: 196 Trader Rating: (0)
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Did anyone notice the 3 or so cfm loss of flow? I had to take my USDM
intake off last night to replace the gasket (boost leak). I already have
the intake, coil pack, purple canister, and bracket. Thanks! |
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10-14-2003, 05:25 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1991 galant vr4 Join Date: May 2002
Location: denton texas
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my vr4 no longer has egr(cyclone does not have provisions for egr) and i have a manual boost controller. so, i used the solenoid that controls the fuel purge system(normal open) and the boost control solenoid(normal closed) | |
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10-16-2003, 12:32 PM |
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DSMtalker
1991 GVR-4 782/2000 Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: OH
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ho chi inn - can you fax me the diagram? I sent you a PM. I need to
get my galant running this weekend. Any info/help would be
appreciated. Thanks! |
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10-16-2003, 02:14 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
96' Mit. Eclipse gst Join Date: May 2002
Location: Atl. GA, Alpharetta
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guys, where can you get the coil pack bracket from? | |
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