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 05-27-2002, 10:39 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
96' Mit. Eclipse gst Join Date: May 2002
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which end goes where? I mean there are two ends one that goes
straight down and one that elbows.
Would it work any better with the J-Spec ecu? If so where can I get one from? I only ask b/c I really think this is a cool design and I want to use it to is fullest. Last edited by GST2EVO : 05-27-2002 at 10:47 PM. |
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| 05-27-2002, 11:54 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
'91 Talon TSi AWD Join Date: Sep 2000
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Ok, I went and dug out my Cyclone intake
today. There are 5 vacuum lines in the vicinity of the actuator and
canister. The colors of the stripes are blue, red, yellow, white, and
non-striped. Strange thing is, of the two lines coming off the canister,
neither of them are connected to the actuator. Below is a diagram I
made.
Where the rest of the lines go, I have no clue. I don't get why the canister isn't connected to the actuator either. __________________ Joe '91 Talon TSi AWD Ah yes, the snow has finally arrived... "It wouldn't be the Talon without idle surge. I will miss that idle surge..." |
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| 05-28-2002, 12:08 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
96' Mit. Eclipse gst Join Date: May 2002
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I had to right click and use "save target as" in order to view it but
I am in the same boat as you. I really want to know what all the lines go
to. Maybe this is why no one really likes the cyclone intake, b/c they dont know how to hook it
up the right way. |
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| 05-28-2002, 02:52 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
'91 Talon AWD Join Date: Apr 2002
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I can't see the pic at all. Those vacuum hoses are the same colors as the ones for emissions, so maybe that's all they are for. I think my Cyclone had the three cut off on each end of the intake support bracket, and on U.S. engines those are just for emissions vacuum. I know JDMs don't have EGRs, but I would think they have the charcoal canister and things. My Cyclone came with the white canister that sits on the intake bracket. One vacuum hose off it goes to the butterfly actuator. The other was only a couple inches long. So unless it hangs open to expel excess air similar to the valve cover breather tube, then it connects to something -- be it a vacuum source, or an ecu-controlled vacuum solenoid. If it connects to an ecu-controlled vacuum solenoid, then I would wonder what the white canister would be needed for then. Obviously that hose has to connect to some sort of vacuum/boost source or else the butterflies would never open. Er, close. I've done searches to find Mitsu sales material or anything that has to do with the cyclone (or the EVO's "ECI MULTI TURBO INTERCOOLER") intake to see if it mentions anything about an "ecu-controlled dual-runner intake." Haven't found anything. Again, if there is supposed to be an ecu-controlled vacuum/boost solenoid, then I don't know what the white canister would be for. But, regardless, making a boost valve such as TurboMitsu has posted about and setting it to around 9psi would do the job. Mine would have been running today and would have let me start checking out the cyclone (with fancy white canister, ooooo...), but didn't get around to finishing it. Did start it yesterday on the jackstands, though, and then did a compression test. 158 across the board. Sweet. |
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| 05-28-2002, 03:08 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
'91 Talon TSi AWD Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: New York State
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Geocities is a piece of crap. How about now?  This is exactly how my lines are hooked up. Note that neither of the canister lines go to the actuator. |
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| 05-28-2002, 04:01 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
'91 Talon AWD Join Date: Apr 2002
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I see it now. So what line is connected to your actuator then? On mine, one from the white canister goes to the actuator. I think that's universally agreed on as far as the cyclones go. The only thing up for debate is where the other end from the white canister goes. My other hose was only a few inches long, but it was probably chopped just like the ones on the support bracket are. And then the only other-other thing up for debate is why the white canister is there and if it is really needed. I read somewhere it has to be there as a check valve to keep vacuum ready to go, but that should be the same as hooking it straight to a source. So maybe it's just a restrictor-type thing and is what keeps the runners closed a little longer than they would otherwise open up at a lower psi. Meaning, maybe hooking straight to a source would open the runners at 1psi, while hooking to the canister opens the runners at more like 3 or 5psi. Since yours is off the engine, maybe you can pressure test the canister to see when it allows boost to go through. |
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| 05-28-2002, 07:01 AM |
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*Ultimate* DSMtalker
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 Guys run a search at the Talon Digest (new search engine) for the
following terms" Cyclone and Intake". You
will find the info you're looking for. You will find the info about the
JDM ECU, white canister and vaccum hoses. I will try to find a VFAQ that
was done a couple years ago from "Black Hole Performance" about the Cyclone Intake installation. |
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| 05-28-2002, 04:01 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
'91 Talon AWD Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: WI
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I've searched everywhere I can think during the past weeks. The main
digest is mostly full of questions with few answers. Searching to learn
about JDMs and cyclones is the reason I started reading (and then posting)
on dsmtalk, actually. I always knew the site was here but never started
reading it until then. Lots of older posts here mention a "famed" cyclone write-up page that no one can ever find again, such as you just mentioned. I found it a couple weeks ago. http://home.pipeline.com/~blackhole/faq/cyclone/gvr4cyclone.html Unfortunately, as usual, it only says, "*Supposedly* the cyclone hooks to the ecu." And the link to a Talon Digest post says a Lancer guy said it hooks to the ecu. I'm still waiting for a definite "Yes, in Japan it is ecu controlled" answer. You would think I could find a mention of it in old Mitsubishi sales literature on the cars, but so far nada. |
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| 05-28-2002, 07:28 PM |
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Thanks for the link "Deusxmachina". I found that link a couple months
ago, but erased along with the other links I had on my computer by
mistake. As for the ECU controlled solenoid that activates the butterflies. I just know what was written on the Digest and on that page. But it would not amaze me to find that the ECU controls the butterflies via a vaccum solenoid much like our current ECU controls the BCS (vaccum solenoid) from the factory. Just my $0.02 |
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| 05-28-2002, 10:20 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
96' Mit. Eclipse gst Join Date: May 2002
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the more I read on this the more I want to know about how exactly
this runner works. keep up on the research guys, and I will too.  |
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| 05-29-2002, 02:18 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
'91 Talon TSi AWD Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: New York State
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Just follow the lines in the picture; the yellow line connects to the actuator on mine. But, like yours, I also have one short line coming off the canister. I believe it's the red one on mine. Check it out though. Go back to the picture on the first page of this thread. Note the vacuum line coming off the FPR. This looks like our short line. Hey crZ32, it looks like your engine is sitting there with all the vacuum lines already hooked up. Perhaps you could go look at it and figure out where all 5 of the vacuum lines in this vicinity are hooked up to. | |
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| 06-06-2002, 08:19 PM |
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I got a RS motor, I got the whole harness with all the wiring and everything you can think of. and YES the cyclone is controlled by the ECU. i have the valve and i have pictues too, but i need someone to host for me. thanks Paul | |
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| 06-06-2002, 10:00 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
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thats sweet. we're finally getting somewhere. Did you get a whole front clip? __________________ mastr of the 6-bolt. Have YOU loved your DSM today? | |
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| 06-11-2002, 12:33 PM |
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No, just the motor. i got everything to work so far, i didn't swap out electrical parts, all the sensor and all the harness are the same as the US spec. only thing i did is the Oil pump, themostat housing, main water pipe. The motor came with a Lightened flywheel, and ACT Street disk with stock US spec pressure plate, and of course the Yellow top injectors and Big 16g turbo. A/C fits perfectly without any modification to the bracket. I used the JDM spec coil packs and they fit alright. tonight or tomorrow morning i am ganna try to drop the motor into my car. wish me luck. on the picture above, the RED/BLACK vacum line goes to the actuator that controls the butterfly. and the white/black vacum line goes to a valve looks like the stock boost solenoid which is electronically controlled, the other side goes to the manifold. I'll show you guys the picture of the solenoid later on this week, i don't have a digital camara, i just have to get them developed from wal mart. sorry there guys. I'll definity give you a PM crazy29187 when i get the picture. Thanks | |
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| 06-11-2002, 01:43 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
96' Mit. Eclipse gst Join Date: May 2002
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SWEET. let me know when you get those pics up. |
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| 06-11-2002, 02:03 PM |
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Hardcore DSMtalker
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If you make the runners flip whenevr you get boost you are missing
the point completely. You need to have tyhrem flip at say 6-10 psi....Just
use a pressure sensitive switch, its been done alot. My friend tried one,
sitch back, and ran like 6 mph faster the same day. I know top end is
supposed to be the same in theory but its not unfortunately. Torque is
cool, but for racing of any sort, RR, AutoX or Drag its a big piece or
garbage and an annoying way to add weight to a heavy car.
__________________ 1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD This isn't a pre-school where we have to play nice. Think before you post or you are going to get some shit for it. ~ ProjectGSX |
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| 06-11-2002, 11:43 PM |
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number 1:huh? are you talking about me?? number 2:too much weight?? how much does it weight?? maybe 5lb more then the stock intake manifold? just don't eat breakfast, take a dump and piss before you hit the drag strip! lol. the dirt on my rear bumper weights more then that. | |
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| 06-11-2002, 11:47 PM |
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Hardcore DSMtalker
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Well, admitedly the weight is a moot point. Im just talking to
everyone is general. Those things make you slower. I would like to get
some opinions on them from people in Japan. Turbo cars always make the
most power from short big runners. |
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| 06-12-2002, 12:05 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
'91 Talon TSi AWD Join Date: Sep 2000
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This is what I'm wondering; The cars in Japan have more balls than
ours. This is because our emissions standards rob us of our go-fast parts.
These motors are from Japanese GVR4s, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, but
I'm assuming that this is another go-fast part that got cut from American
production. These intakes don't have EGR either. Hmm... |
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| 06-12-2002, 12:14 AM |
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Hardcore DSMtalker
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Thecars in japan havee 100 octane at the pump, and the cyclone intake mani thats it |
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| 06-12-2002, 12:16 AM |
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i don't see why that lower the top end power, someguy did a test on all the intake manifolds for our car. the cyclone manifold only flows 3 cfm lower than the stock us spec manifold. "2 CFM" that is not a big deal. see for yourself http://home.pipeline.com/~blackhole/faq/cyclone/gvr4cyclone.html#powertr | |
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| 06-12-2002, 03:36 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
'91 Talon AWD Join Date: Apr 2002
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I was playing with mine a little bit. The car seems to be on
jackstands a lot for dumb little crap that I'm too lazy to spend more than
20 minutes a day working on in order to be able to drive it.  From what I played with, hooking the butterflies straight to the intake vacuum source was clearly worse than leaving the vacuum hose off altogether (and so having the cyclone stay fully open all the time). With it connected straight to vacuum, the transition from vacuum to boost and it opening and closing was really lousy. Kinda like flooring the car in fifth gear at low revs and lugging it. I don't know if others have experienced the same, but that was my experience. To make a bad pun -- connecting it straight to vacuum sucked. |
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| 06-12-2002, 03:24 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
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When you hooked it up to a vacuum source, did you have the white cylinder connected as well? | |
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| 06-12-2002, 11:41 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
'91 Talon AWD Join Date: Apr 2002
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Yepper. With canister, straight to the front of the intake, and then
not hooked up at all. Canister was the best, then not hooked up at all,
then straight to the intake was clearly the worst. Like it would hesitate
or something while switching over. A bit hard to describe, but like the
smoothness of the airflow was being disrupted and making the air slow down
worse than keeping it open all the time. You could see the difference by
watching the boost needle. It wouldn't swing as smooth from vacuum into
boost. I know the canister worked because with the car off I could pull the hose off and the actuator/butterflies would *thunk* back open from the vacuum being released. IMO, canister or not, anyone who uses a cyclone without a boost controller/switch to keep it closed to 5+psi is wasting their time with it. Should rock pretty good with a boost controller/switch on it, though. |
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| 06-12-2002, 11:44 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
'91 Talon AWD Join Date: Apr 2002
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Speaking of the controllers, anyone have a specific list of cheap
parts to make one with? Someone was kind enough to send me a diagram of
theirs, but the cheapest pressure switch I could find so far is like 40 of
50 bucks. There's got to be a cheaper one that that. |
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