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 01-30-2004, 02:46 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
Talon Tsi AWD '91 Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 362 Trader Rating: (0)
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Is the Cyclone 'KIT' with instructions
ready for the public yet?
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| 01-30-2004, 02:48 PM |
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DSMtalker
1999 Eclipse GSX Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Buffalo, NY
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Kit??? Where did you hear about that? __________________ 1999 Eclipse GSX | |
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| 01-30-2004, 02:53 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
Talon Tsi AWD '91 Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 362 Trader Rating: (0)
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Ken is supposed to make one for me atleast or more |
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| 01-30-2004, 06:03 PM |
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Ultra DSMtalker
1990 TSI AWD Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: ATL, GA
Posts: 1,618 Trader Rating: (0)
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You would end up with a manifold that operates just like stock, but does not flow as well. At least, that is what I would think. The whole benefit of the Cyclone is to have the longer runners for increased torque before the turbo spools (reducing "lag"), and the shorter runners for better top end horsepower. If not actuated, the runners would balance out, would they not? If I remember correctly, the Cyclone flows a little less than the US Spec manifold. __________________ Happy endings are just stories that haven't finished yet. I gotta snap a new pic.... this one is outdated.  ~Mike - venom42@bellsouth.net | |
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| 01-31-2004, 07:12 AM |
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DSMtalker
mitsu/triton/94 Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: australia
Posts: 191 Trader Rating: (1)
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i have never tried the US version manifold but after doing the vacuum
mod on the JDM cyclone manifold actuator my
truck is awesome!!! i had been driving around for 2 years connected
straight to the manifold vacuum so whether it was just the turbulence in
the manifold that killed it down low,midrange and totally stuff the o2
readings i'll never know, but i am happy now. Dyno figures coming soon,
while the truck is on the dyno i'll swap the hoses over and see what it
does. by the way this is a long thread plenty of interest! thanks again
you guys or esle i would never had known about the cyclone effect!!!!!!!!!!!!.
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| 01-31-2004, 08:08 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
96 Eagle Talon Tsi Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: N.H. USA
Posts: 353 Trader Rating: (0)
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I read all these posts and the manifold looks to be very impressive,
but I only have 2 questions:
HAS ANYONE GOT IT TO WORK??!! IS IT WORTH THE HEADACHE??!! Thanks!  __________________ I have WAY to many years as an automobile detailer.....now it's time to get serious!! |
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| 01-31-2004, 10:39 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
1991 galant vr4 Join Date: May 2002
Location: denton texas
Posts: 361 Trader Rating: (0)
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depends on what you want. mine has been on the car and operational
for years. i think it was easy to get to work, and i am very pleased with
it. better low end, better fuel economy, better response. HOWEVER, if you
are looking for wot top end, this is not for you. driveability, great. top
end, marginally less. |
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| 01-31-2004, 02:14 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
96 Eagle Talon Tsi Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: N.H. USA
Posts: 353 Trader Rating: (0)
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Well, what I am looking to do in the next few months is put a
turbonetics T3/T4 Hybrid on my car with a front mount, safc, Profec B2,
and all supporting mods but my main issue is my car is an automatic so I
am worried about lag for the first 4k RPM's, this intake looks like it
could seal the deal so to say as it would get rid of some of my lag so I
am highly interested and wondering if anyone sells a complete kit to get
it to work on a US spec car. Or should I just stick with getting a T28?
LOL! |
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| 01-31-2004, 02:15 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1993 Mitsu Eclipse GSX Join Date: May 2002
Location: Delaware
Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (0)
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That's why you need to port it! Actually the only measurement anyone
has ever done between a stock cyclone and
stock US manifold was a flow bench test and the cyclone was within 1% (2 cfm out of 200cfm I
believe). And flow benches are not the be all end all. So what you need to
do is use a real dyno comparison, because seat of the pants is
misleading. Ken |
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| 01-31-2004, 02:19 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
96 Eagle Talon Tsi Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: N.H. USA
Posts: 353 Trader Rating: (0)
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Well so far this looks like a lot better deal for us automatic owning
people than possibly about 1500 in tranny work or a 50 shot for turbos
that lag till 4200 rpm  . |
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| 03-08-2004, 10:55 AM |
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DSMtalker
1990 Talon TSi AWD Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: TX
Posts: 114 Trader Rating: (0)
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I believe I have found a simple way to get this thing to operate
correctly.
This setup would only allow the butterflys to open above 3k rpms and whatever boost you have the MBC set at. Otherwise vacuum will be constantly applied to the actuator keeping the butterfly valves closed. Anyone have any questions or see any flaws in this design? __________________ '90 Eagle Talon AWD alcohol injection good  |
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| 03-08-2004, 11:38 AM |
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New DSMtalker
Talon TSi AWD 1996 Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 56 Trader Rating: (0)
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Do you have the oneway valve pointing in the right direction? |
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| 03-08-2004, 11:43 AM |
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DSMtalker
1990 Talon TSi AWD Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: TX
Posts: 114 Trader Rating: (0)
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Yep. You only want vacuum applied to that side of the canister/vacuum resivor so that even under low boost it will still be holding vacuum. The boost will get to the actuator to open it after it goes through the boost controller. | |
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| 03-08-2004, 01:09 PM |
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DSMtalker
1992 2000GTX Join Date: May 2002
Location: Quebec/Ontario, Canada
Posts: 111 Trader Rating: (0)
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I think the container has a one way valve in it.
I have a JDM in my garage and will try to draw a better diagram once I get down to it., __________________ 1992 Turbo AWD 2000GTX a.k.a. Galant GSX 1993 Nissan Maxima GSX And a few solar cars. |
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| 03-08-2004, 02:24 PM |
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New DSMtalker
Talon TSi AWD 1996 Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 56 Trader Rating: (0)
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I have some pics of some stuff I found that is used to operate the
butterfly valves on the Nissan CA18DE motor. I don't know how to link, so
if you have some extra time go to yahoo groups: DSM Cyclone Manifold is the name of the group. There
are four pictures right now and a small description of what I found. I
figured if you all want any pictures you have to offer can be put on that
group site so the will be there for others to see and we can direct people
to one location for information rather than linking to pages 1-12.
Later. Shooter |
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| 03-08-2004, 03:52 PM |
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DSMtalker
1990 Talon TSi AWD Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: TX
Posts: 114 Trader Rating: (0)
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The canister is also a one-way valve, but you still need the
additional one-way valve so the canister won't see any boost and cut off
the vacuum to the actuator when you are under low boost. |
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| 03-08-2004, 08:50 PM |
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DSMtalker
1992 2000GTX Join Date: May 2002
Location: Quebec/Ontario, Canada
Posts: 111 Trader Rating: (0)
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I figure a one way is a one way. two of them in series doesn't do
anything. |
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| 03-08-2004, 09:34 PM |
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DSMtalker
1990 Talon TSi AWD Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: TX
Posts: 114 Trader Rating: (0)
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 You have to stop the boost BEFORE it gets to the canister,
one-way valve or not. As soon as 1 or 2psi hits it it will stop pulling
vacuum, thus defeating the purpose. Installing a additional one-way valve
between the manifold and the canister takes care of this. |
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| 03-09-2004, 10:03 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
1991 galant vr4 Join Date: May 2002
Location: denton texas
Posts: 361 Trader Rating: (0)
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i dont want to raise a ruckus here, but why is everyone trying to
make this thing work with other stuff? since you have no egr, you gotta
remove the solenoids anyway, and most have already removed the bcs. now,
all you need is a hobbs switch, and you are good to go. you can reuse the
vacuum lines, the tees, heck, even the surge tank bracket has the clip for
the vacuum cannister. so the total cost is about 30 bucks for a hobbs
switch. on my car, i already had the switch for my water injection, so i
just tapped into that. i made a bracket for the solenoids using one of the
old solenoid brackets, and everyone has wires and ends lying around. |
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| 03-09-2004, 10:34 AM |
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DSMtalker
1990 Talon TSi AWD Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: TX
Posts: 114 Trader Rating: (0)
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I don't have the selenoids; hence I had to come up with another idea.
Just thought I'd share it with everyone else for those who also didn't
have the selenoids or for whatever reason couldn't use your method.
Geez. |
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| 03-09-2004, 03:00 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1993 Mitsu Eclipse GSX Join Date: May 2002
Location: Delaware
Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (0)
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Everybody relax, these are all good ideas. Since when is it bad to
have multiple ways of accomplishing a goal? They are both bound to have
their own advantages/disadvantages. I can't even comment on either since I had to put my stock manifold back on. My gaskets between the cyclone pieces were leaking and there's a pin hole leak in the casting. Ken |
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| 03-09-2004, 09:17 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1991 galant vr4 Join Date: May 2002
Location: denton texas
Posts: 361 Trader Rating: (0)
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i have reused those gaskets. give them a good coat of hylomar on both
sides, and they seal like new. i have also been using hylomar on my valve
cover gasket, and i have since reused it twice, absolutely NO leaks. i'm
not criticizing for operating the butterflies another way, just pointing
out that most people throw away the stuff to make it work. i had mine in
the throw away box, and i got a couple spares from other people local that
had them in their throw away box. |
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| 03-09-2004, 10:17 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1993 Mitsu Eclipse GSX Join Date: May 2002
Location: Delaware
Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (0)
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I didn't use the stock cyclone gaskets,
I had to make my own because my runners are ported. Somehow I misplaced
one of the stock gaskets anyway. I didn't use any sealant which was a
mistake, as this gasket material I have seals like ass. As far as the
solenoids go, I have a tool chest drawer full of them, so I'm going that
route too. Ken |
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| 03-09-2004, 10:27 PM |
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New DSMtalker
Talon TSi AWD 1996 Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 56 Trader Rating: (0)
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hey ho chi inn, how exactly do you have the vacuum and electrical
lines routed? I think I have it right, but I misplaced the photo of your
set up you posted a while
back. Shooter |
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| 03-10-2004, 12:53 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1991 galant vr4 Join Date: May 2002
Location: denton texas
Posts: 361 Trader Rating: (0)
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i dont think it was me what posted pictures, cause i dont know how. i
did draw some diagrams and faxxed them to some people. THAT i know how to
do. yo, ken, if you want, i still have a set of old gaskets i can send you
to make patterns. one of them is missing just part of the gasket, but if
you turn it upside down, and use the other side, it comes out perfect.
send me your address if you want them. |
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