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 10-16-2003, 04:38 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1991 galant vr4 Join Date: May 2002
Location: denton texas
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i didnt get any pm. you can call me on my 800 400 4773. during the day | |
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| 10-24-2003, 09:54 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
1993 Mitsu Eclipse GSX Join Date: May 2002
Location: Delaware
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As soon as anyone finds out where to find cyclone "spare parts" let me know because I'm still
looking for the white canister. I know there's one guy on this list
somewhere that damaged his cyclone actuators,
if you're reading this, I'll be happy to take that canister off your
hands...  As far as the bracket goes, I'd just assume make it out of a 1/16" sheet of aluminum. A vice, drill and dremel tool will create what you need. Heck, I needed to use those tools to modify the JDM bracket anyway just to make the plug wires fit. Ken |
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| 10-24-2003, 10:01 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
Talon Tsi AWD '91 Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 362 Trader Rating: (0)
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I may still have a spare 'white/purple actuator' for the cyclone layin around.
How about you give me the 'whole kit' to make the cyclone work the proper way with instructions and ill give you the canister with bracket? deal?!  __________________ '91 Talon TSi AWD |
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| 10-24-2003, 10:14 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
1993 Mitsu Eclipse GSX Join Date: May 2002
Location: Delaware
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Deal. And as soon as my damn engine mounts get here I'll finally be
able to drop the engine in, and I'll get the wiring worked out with full
instructions. I'll be more than happy to make a detailed VFAQ of the cyclone intake once I'm done. Ken |
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| 10-24-2003, 12:42 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
96' Mit. Eclipse gst Join Date: May 2002
Location: Atl. GA, Alpharetta
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Ken...please pm me with details on your cyclone operation..I'll test them out and let you know how it works TO EVERYONE ELSE: I desasembled my cyclone to have it glass beaded and noticed that my butterflies were only opening up an 1/8 of the way...I stared at it for 20 minutes and realized that the 90degree acuator bracket was bent up..so i bent it back down and now they open up all the way..This has been like this ever since i bought it..SO, you might want to check yours out and make sure that shipping didnt damage/bend the bracket...if the rod on the accuator touches the accuator in any way and or the tab doesnt move 90degrees freely..your bracket is bent. __________________ mastr of the 6-bolt. Have YOU loved your DSM today? | |
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| 10-24-2003, 12:54 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
Talon Tsi AWD '91 Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: New Jersey
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OK get your motor done. I just finished my 1st timer rebuild last
weekend and it runs very nice. I cleaned the hell out of my cyclone manifold using a can of MCCC and high
pressured water to a new condition then repainted the manifold.. will post pics
soon of my new rebuilt jdm motor.BTW, my ported/clipped Big 16G kicks in at ~2k with cyclone  |
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| 10-25-2003, 10:02 PM |
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DSMtalker
1991 GVR-4 782/2000 Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: OH
Posts: 196 Trader Rating: (0)
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Coil Pack
Does anyone know if I can just swap the wires/plug on the coil pack
from the cyclone? The one that came with the cyclone has three wires. The USDM has 4 wires. Thanks! |
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| 10-25-2003, 11:10 PM |
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DSMtalker
1992 2000GTX Join Date: May 2002
Location: Quebec/Ontario, Canada
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JDM is like the 90's I think
but mine plugged in even though it is 92(but Galant though) __________________ 1992 Turbo AWD 2000GTX a.k.a. Galant GSX 1993 Nissan Maxima GSX And a few solar cars. |
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| 10-25-2003, 11:30 PM |
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DSMtalker
1991 GVR-4 782/2000 Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: OH
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Hmm...my '91 galant have a square plug w/ 4 wires. The cyclone has a triangular plug with 3 wires. I was
thinking about just swapping my 4 wires onto the JDM coild but don't know
if it will work. |
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| 10-25-2003, 11:33 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1991 galant vr4 Join Date: May 2002
Location: denton texas
Posts: 361 Trader Rating: (0)
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depending on where you get the cyclone
setup, it can come with either the early(90) coil, or the later one. the
first setup i got came with the early coil, i just swapped mine. when i
got my jdm motor, it came with the later coil, which i am using. |
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| 10-26-2003, 01:52 AM |
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New DSMtalker
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 Okay, I am really confused here!!! So is the "Cyclone" just the intake or the nickname for the whole JDM
engine???? Basically I keep hearing all this great info about much lower
spool time and I cant tell if I can just drop this "Cyclone" intake on my
1g AT AWD TSi or is that spool up only helped by the whole engine swap???
Thanks for the help!!!  |
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| 10-26-2003, 09:26 AM |
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DSMtalker
1991 GVR-4 782/2000 Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: OH
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Cyclone refers to the intake
manifold. |
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| 10-26-2003, 08:14 PM |
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New DSMtalker
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 Intake only And the cyclone intake alone is causing
the turbos to spool up that much faster? like 1000 rpm?? If so where can
you find them and what do they run for all the necessary parts to install
on a 1g? |
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| 10-26-2003, 08:19 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
96' Mit. Eclipse gst Join Date: May 2002
Location: Atl. GA, Alpharetta
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by no means should it spool a full 1000rpms faster. Prob. helps spool
by about 400rpms or so. |
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| 10-27-2003, 11:13 AM |
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DSMtalker
1991 GVR-4 782/2000 Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: OH
Posts: 196 Trader Rating: (0)
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Well, the cyclone is on now/(after
storing it for a year). I don't have any vacuum lines connected to the
actuator right now. I'm waiting on a hobbs switch and fuel solenoid. |
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| 10-28-2003, 10:02 AM |
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mitsubishi/mirage/1994/ Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: florida
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There is a far far simpler way of making the butterfly work. It is a
far more reliable mechanical approach. Not really sure why the factory
didn't do it this way. You will have to have some fabrication skills, so this method is not for everyone. Use a 5-7psi wastegate actuator. The actuator will hold the flaps closed at anything less than 5psi and be fully open above 7psi. dont know what the fastest anyone has gone a cyclone intake but my car last went 11.1 at 129 on 97octane at 25psi. the 25g is known to work well at 30psi. |
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| 10-28-2003, 10:17 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
Talon Tsi AWD '91 Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: New Jersey
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lancerman, got a website for your 2.4L AWD turbo Mirage? id like to
check it out. awesome numbers on your cyclone
btw. |
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| 10-28-2003, 12:14 PM |
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New DSMtalker
89 Colt GT 4G61T Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Chesapeake, VA 23320
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Quote:
 This is certainly intriguing. Could you give more detail. What
has to be fabricated? How and where is the part mounted? Does it replace
anything(eg. the blue/white vac. cannister or the current btrfly
actuator). Does this need to go through the ECU? Diagram? More
description? Thanks for any help. Bill
Spruill | |
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| 10-28-2003, 12:39 PM |
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Super DSMtalker
1993 Mitsu Eclipse GSX Join Date: May 2002
Location: Delaware
Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (0)
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He's talking about using a "positive" pressure sensitive actuator arm
on the cyclone as opposed to a vacuum "low"
pressure sensitive actuator, like the one that's on there now. Basically,
increasing the spring pressure on the cyclone
actuator would achieve the same thing. The solenoid method we've been
talking about is partly electronic vs. completely mechanical. Interesting
since I've seen talk about solenoid actuation of the turbo wastegate
instead of a mechanical boost controller, for better control. This is a
case for the opposite argument. Ken |
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| 10-29-2003, 09:35 AM |
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New DSMtalker
Talon TSi AWD 1996 Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 56 Trader Rating: (0)
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KenGSX If you're still looking for the canister you could always be a guinea pig for me. I know that the CA18DE Nissan engines operate on butterfly valves using a similar setup to the 4Gs setup. If you can get your hands on the black vacuum canister from a pulsar with the CA18DE in it you could see if it works. I have one in my garage, but I haven't had time to put it in because I'm focusing on my 1G in a 2G swap. If you can try it and it works let me know. Later. Shooter |
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| 10-29-2003, 11:41 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
1993 Mitsu Eclipse GSX Join Date: May 2002
Location: Delaware
Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (0)
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If anybody here has become a member of DSM-ECU there has been a file
upload on that site. It contains the two JDM ECU eprom files for the cyclone motor. Someone just has to go in and find
the intake related information... or convince Jeff to do it for
us. dsmecu digest Ken Message: 3 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:03:48 -0000 From: "Jeff Oberholtzer" <keydiver@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: JDM ECU Ken, Both the E769 and E952 (just uploaded) EPROM'd ECU's had the Cyclone controller board in them. However, I've never begun to look for the subroutines. Sorry, Jeff O. #1886/2000 |
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| 11-01-2003, 02:13 AM |
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DSMtalker
1991 Galant VR4 Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Lancaster, PA
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Hey Everybody I am back from a long absence from this thread. I see
Lancerman is doing the same thing as I did on mine with a WG actuator.
Lancerman so do you lose any power on the top with the cyclone mani on the 2.4 compared to a stocker?
I now have a GT40 56trim with a TH350 exhaust wheel and ~9.2:1 compression 2.0L and am wondering if I would lose out using the Cyclone mani. If you went 11.1 on it I bet it makes some good power. Later |
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| 11-01-2003, 09:16 AM |
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mitsubishi/mirage/1994/ Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: florida
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Good to see someone else has seen the light with using a wastegate
actuator. For those who dont understand. The factory cyclone actuator holds the butterflys open . When
vacume is applied the butterflys close. What you want is an actuator that
holds the butterflys closed until boost is applied. Study how a 14b/125
actuator works, and set up your cyclone the
same way. You toss the cyclone vac reservoir along with the the actuator. What you have to fabricate is a shorter arm for the t25 actuator, a mount to mount the t25 actuator to the intake, and a longer butterfly arm for the butterflies. The topend loss was minimal to none. The low end gains/spool gains are awesome. I like the concept so well I am planning on building a custom sheetmetal intake with four short runner/fly controlled and four long runner always open, cyclone style intake. Definately give it a whirl with the gt40/t350. I think you will be pleased. On a side note if you got that turbo from pte i think it will work better with the 48 exhaust. The 63 has a near 1/1 pe ratio at 32psi. With a gt30 turbine in a pte 63 the pe is 2.5/1. I think the 48 would end up around 1.5, perfect. |
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| 11-01-2003, 09:47 AM |
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Super DSMtalker
1991 galant vr4 Join Date: May 2002
Location: denton texas
Posts: 361 Trader Rating: (0)
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fwiw, there are more than one way to get the butterflies to
open/close. i used the solenoids because i had them lying around, same
with the hobbs switch. the wastegate actuator works fine. another person
used the motor from a radio control airplane, again, it works fine. same
with my water injection, i used stuff that was easy for me to get, or i
had lying around. but, in the end, i like the way the cyclone helps out with the daily driving, and the
extra fuel economy, which was EXACTLY what i was after. |
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| 11-01-2003, 09:58 AM |
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Ultra DSMtalker
90 tsi AWD Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: So-cal
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this sounds like a good idea. I don't have a cyclone intake with me can you measure the length of the the short and long runners? are all the runners the same diameter? | |
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